More offshore drilling does little at the pump: EIA »
Posted By STONERS 3 months, 2 weeks ago in Business & FinanceAllowing oil drilling in U.S. offshore waters that are now closed to energy exploration would do little to lower gasoline prices paid by consumers, the government's top energy forecaster said on Wednesday.
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STONERS3 months, 2 weeks ago
"In response to record pump prices, Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain and President George W. Bush this month called for Congress to end its moratorium on drilling off the East and West coasts and in Florida waters, leaving it up to each affected state to decide where to permit drilling."
"McCain and Bush said the additional oil supplies likely to be found in the closed areas would help reduce gasoline costs."
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mesodude3 months, 2 weeks ago
""McCain and Bush said the additional oil supplies likely to be found in the closed areas would help reduce gasoline costs."
--That's because Bush and McCain know that Americans will remember who was in the White House (and which party controlled Congress for most of Bush's term) when they lost their homes and jobs and when they first paid four dollars for a gallon of gas or a gallon of milk. They know Americans will remember who gave war time tax cuts to millionaires and who blathered on endlessly about "socialism" (while enjoying their tax payer funded health insurance) when they couldn't afford health insurance for their own kids. Republicans know that Americans know what they did last summer (and during all the previous summers under Bush) and they're TERRIFIED. Desperation will make cons say or do anything to hold on to power. ;-(
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saintetienne3 months, 2 weeks ago
"Republicans know that Americans know what they did last summer (and during all the previous summers under Bush) and they're TERRIFIED."
Gee, mesodud, I don't know who YOU hang around with, but I can honestly say I don't know ONE PERSON who is "TERRIFIED". I even have a few friends who are looking for work, but aren't all that concerned, because they have money saved up like any responsible person should. A few others squawk about the gas prices, but they take it in stride and are cutting back on car trips or taking public transportation to ease their gas spending. Other than that, everyone I know is moving on with their lives as usual, working their jobs, raising their families - no crises, no "terrified" feelings, no panic....
What, do you belong to the Chicken Little Liberal Club, where everyone meets and shares their doomsday scenarios, building up panic amongst each other so you can run out into the streets, arms flailing, beaks screaming?
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UnusualSuspect3 months, 2 weeks ago
I have to agree, for once, with Bill O'Reilly. He said on Monday's show (6.23.08) that even if we started today, drilling and refining, that the big oil companies would probably sell to who? You guessed it...China, India, etc.
Why? Because China et al are willing to pay top dollar for it...that means $150, $175, $200 dollars a barrel.
So even if we can get drilling set up offshore, or in ANWR, chances are we'll still have high prices at the pump, unless Congress passes a law that the oil companies can't sell to the Chinese first...
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saintetienne3 months, 2 weeks ago
"unless Congress passes a law that the oil companies can't sell to the Chinese first.."
Then why would oil companies want to drill at all?
In case you haven't noticed, oil companies - like any other company - are in the business of making profits. They - like anyone else - will sell their product for the highest price, and why shouldn't they? Why be in business other than to make money? Putting government restrictions, tariffs and taxes on business isn't going to bring down the price, you nimrod. It's just going to make it harder to make money, interfere with production and ultimately raise prices at the gas pump. You dumb Democrats are sore at the oil companies (although why, I'll never know) and want to see them punished. What good is THAT going to do? It's just biting the hand that feeds you, and they're going to bite back by raising prices.
So Unused Sunspeck, other than getting your fat ass out of your SUV and onto a bus - got any other bright ideas?
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UnusualSuspect3 months, 2 weeks ago
Exactly, saint...
They should be able to sell their oil at the highest price. That's my point...the end result is that we will still have high gas and oil prices, and there's very little we can do about it. Which is why it's more important than ever to fund the research and implementation of alternative energy.
See, another assumption made by you is wrong...I don't own an SUV. I'm lucky...I work at home, fill up my tank about every 3-4 weeks and have begun to even walk to the Post Office, etc, a miie or so away.
And what have you done to conserve, saint...care to tell us that? Don't be shy...we're all ears...
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saintetienne3 months, 2 weeks ago
"Don't be shy...we're all ears..."
Well apparently you're not all eyes, because if you've been reading my posts for the last year and a half, I've been letting any chump who can read know that I live in Los Angeles - yes that's right, Los Angeles, city of cars and "no public transportation" - yet I take the subway to the office every ding-dang day. What's more, I've been taking public transportation - or biking - since 1998. 10 years being nearly car-free. It's perpetually summer here - with our weather, why anyone wouldn't take advantage of bike-riding and/or walking is beyond me.
What's more, I give incentives to my employees to do the same, and about a third of them carpool or take public transportation every day.
I don't mind bragging about this because I think it's something worth bragging about, and it bears repeating. Don't want to do it? O.K. by me, but then why do you keep harping and whining about the situation?
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UnusualSuspect3 months, 2 weeks ago
OK...good to know you do that.
I live in NY, just north of NYC, right near the MTA train into the city. When I have to go in, I take the train. But since I've worked at home the last 10 years, I don't spend much on gas.
And you should brag...some people wouldn't do that even if they lived one block from the subway.
BTW...I don't read every post on Netscape, so it is possible I miss a lot of info about people, but I will try to pay more attention in the future...
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bonaroo3 months, 2 weeks ago
saintetienne
In almost every political map you look at, the Republicans are the most rural. Its your demographic that is hurting the most by high oil prices, and you're the ones who are crying the most. So.... just like my taxes that go to fund the Iraq war for oil, you want me to suck up more expense to subsidize your oil gluttony. Typewriter makers were in the business to make money too, but times change.
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svensun3 months, 2 weeks ago
bonaroo,
exactly WHAT subsidies are Republicans calling for? Perhaps you are imagining things?
Lowering taxes is NOT A SUBSIDY, it is letting people keep their money. Leasing more offshore tracts for oil drilling IS NOT A SUBSIDY! Allowing energy companies to mine oil shale in the ROCKIES is not a subsidy. But the government paying over $9 for every ride someone takes on a commuter train... ...THAT IS A SUBSIDY. Keeping bus tickets artificially low to encourage ridership... ...THAT IS A SUBSIDY. Spending billions per miles to build subways that almost NO ONE will ride, with gas tax money paid by CAR DRIVERS... ...THAT IS A SUBSIDY!
You seem to be confused about just what is and is NOT a subsidy, and if you think the Iraq War is about SUBSIDIZING OIL, then you are NUTS! How you arrive at that logic, with gas prices approaching $5 a gallon, I'll NEVER KNOW, and neither will you, because it is utterly irrational.
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saintetienne3 months, 2 weeks ago
....and THAT'S where you lose, mesodud (well, there... and in life... and in school... and on the playground when you were a kid... and at the Senior prom...). For if you have no stocks, pensions, IRA accounts or even a 401k plan (and I'm assuming a nincompoop like you does not, since Libs ABHOR evil money) then you're not an oil shareholder, and are missing out on oil company profits that could be profiting you, yes YOU, mesodud. YOU, who probably works for some non-profit save-the-trees organization in Oregon, and wouldn't know what a portfolio was if it was dropped on your head by a spotted owl.
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dunkirk3 months, 2 weeks ago
ROFLMAO, so they made record profits yet again, like to tell us all what the dividend was on the stock? vs the price? Seems "sharing" those windfall profits isnt what the oil companies do but then again they do have people like you who they toss a crumb too nad your more then willing to jump thru hoops over it. ROFLMAO.
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Tangent0013 months, 2 weeks ago
So you admit opening ANWR is about increasing oil company profits NOT lowering gas prices like McCain and his ilk are saying.
Seems these folks are using the gas prices as a tactic to increase their own profitability. You want ANWR and the coasts opened so your stocks will go up, yes? You don't really give a rat's a$$ about gas prices for the average consumer (you know, the ones without stock portfolios).
Hey, that's Capitalism. Just don't try to paint this push to drill as anything other than an oil grab. Not saying you have, mind you, but some people certainly are, including McCain and Bush.
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mesodude3 months, 2 weeks ago
" I even have a few friends who are looking for work, but aren't all that concerned, because they have money saved up like any responsible person should."
--Ahh...You mean "responsible" like Bear Stearns and Enron were. Gotcha. Anyway, I'm just going by the steady stream of panic-stricken Republicans I see on C-SPAN every morning wailing and barking about how drilling is the solution. You people know full well drilling ain't gonna bring gas prices down for YEARS and, like the article says, it's pennies we're talking about. Face it, santa, $4 gas will be Bush's legacy and the Republican party's epitaph. ;-(
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saintetienne3 months, 2 weeks ago
"Face it, santa, $4 gas will be Bush's legacy and the Republican party's epitaph."
Well if you've listened to what Obomb-out is going to do if he gets in office, $4 gas is going to be a bargain. You'll be crying your little wuss eyes out, wishing gas could be $4 again. With the taxes, regulations and restrictions he's going to place on the oil companies, I predict gas in the U.S. will surpass the $11 per gallon they're already paying in Europe.
Get a bus ticket and a seat cushion for your fat ass, mesodud. YOU'LL be joining the rest of us on the bus real soon....
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mesodude3 months, 2 weeks ago
"Well if you've listened to what Obomb-out is going to do if he gets in office, $4 gas is going to be a bargain. "
--Ok, saint. Please don't waste your time trying to threaten or scare me with your political predictions. LOL Not after what America has been through the last 8 years. You tried the same scare tactics in '06 right before Republicans got smacked down by p'od Americans at the ballot box. Judging from the last few special elections we've had, I'd say the bloodbath will be even worse for the GOP come November.
"Get a bus ticket and a seat cushion for your fat ass, mesodud. YOU'LL be joining the rest of us on the bus real soon...."
--Actually, my car stays parked about 80% of the year anyway so I'm not stinging like many others are. And even though DC has decent public transportation, I actually can't remember when I was last on bus or metro. I prefer to bike or walk most of the time. But thanks for the warning, anyway. ;-P
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dunkirk3 months, 2 weeks ago
WOW Saint and just up above you were talking about all the profits the oil companies were sharing with you. I would have thought that made you drive your SUV down the driveway to get hte paper you were so flush with cash from the booming economy. Oh yeah I kleep forgetting the boom you hear from teh economy is the shuttering of windows and the knocking down of manufacturing facilities across the country.
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Klarissa3 months, 2 weeks ago
In a new ad, Obama says, "I don't take money from oil companies."
Technically, that's true, since a law that has been on the books for more than a century prohibits corporations from giving money directly to any federal candidate. But that doesn't distinguish Obama from his rivals in the race.
We find the statement misleading:
* Obama has accepted more than $213,000 from individuals who work for companies in the oil and gas industry and their spouses.
* Two of Obama's bundlers are top executives at oil companies and are listed on his Web site as raising between $50,000 and $100,000 for the presidential hopeful.
Obama: I don't take money from oil companies or Washington lobbyists, and I won't let them block change anymore.
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Klarissa3 months, 2 weeks ago
It's true that Obama doesn't take money directly from oil companies, but then, no presidential, House or Senate candidate does. They can't: Corporations have been prohibited from contributing directly to federal candidates since the Tillman Act became law in 1907.
Obama has, however, accepted more than $213,000 in contributions from individuals who work for, or whose spouses work for, companies in the oil and gas industry, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. That's not as much as Sen. Hillary Clinton, who has received more than $306,000 in donations from people tied to the industry, but it's still a substantial amount.
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Klarissa3 months, 2 weeks ago
In addition, two oil industry executives are bundling money for Obama รข;; drumming up contributions from individuals and turning them over to the campaign. George Kaiser, the chairman of Oklahoma-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Co., ranks 68th on the Forbes list of world billionaires. He's listed on Obama's Web site as raising between $50,000 and $100,000 for the candidate. Robert Cavnar is president and CEO of Milagro Exploration LLC, an oil exploration and production company. He's named as a bundler in the same category as Kaiser.
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Klarissa3 months, 2 weeks ago
We're not making any judgments about whether Obama is influenced by campaign contributions. In fact, we'd note that he singles out ExxonMobil in this ad, even though he's received more than $30,850 from individuals who work for the company. But we do think that in theory, contributions that come in volume from oil industry executives, or are bundled by them, can be every bit as influential as PAC contributions, if not more so.
So who is going to favor the oil companies???
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dunkirk3 months, 2 weeks ago
Bush and the Republicans pretty much. After all he did allow them to write our countries energy policies which encouragfe increased consumption of a non-renewable resource.
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bonaroo3 months, 2 weeks ago
Klarissa
* Obama has accepted more than $213,000 from individuals who work for companies in the oil and gas industry and their spouses.
Even Oil company employees must see how much better Obama is than McCain. I don't see any reason to disqualify their vote, Do YOU?
* Two of Obama's bundlers are top executives at oil companies and are listed on his Web site as raising between $50,000 and $100,000 for the presidential hopeful.
Uhh so what. Obama is able to draw talent from every economic sector. Are you saying that the Republicans should own these people too.
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svensun3 months, 2 weeks ago
meso,
Do you mean 'Americans will remember' which political party filibustered EVERY SINGLE ENERGY BILL INTRODUCED BY THE PRESIDENT SINCE 2001?
You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.
Do you really think it is desperation that is leading the GOP to call for an end to the drilling moratorium in the USA, the THIRD LARGEST oil producing nation in the world?
Could it be, perhaps, GOOD POLICY?
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mesodude3 months, 2 weeks ago
"Do you mean 'Americans will remember' which political party filibustered EVERY SINGLE ENERGY BILL INTRODUCED BY THE PRESIDENT SINCE 2001?"
--Sven, you're counting on people to be stupid but Americans woke up in '06. Why won't you? And you need to do your homework about your own party more often before commenting (especially given that Republicans broke the all time record for filibusters during a Congressional session this past year). Americans know how Congress works and they know that two greasy oil men (who campaigned on the promise that their experience and influence in the industry would benefit Americans) haven't done ONE THING meaningful to address high oil prices (from which THEY are benefitting). Finally, Americans will never forget the many issues on which Bush and/or the GOP DEFIED the majority public opinion (SS reform, stem cell funding, Schiavo, SCHIP, to name a handful). Bottom line: You people are goin' DOWN. ;-(
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svensun3 months, 2 weeks ago
meso,
you are resorting to political rhetoric, using inflammatory and degrading language, rather than facts. You expect to 'wake me up' with that sort of stuff? You know better than that!
You say Americans know how Congress works; well, then why don't YOU know how Congress works?
You know very well that increased drilling on federal lands, including ANWR, has been a hot political topic since 1995, and especially since 2001, and people KNOW who has favored drilling, and who has not. Too bad for McCain that he has been on YOUR side for most of that time. It costs him credibility on the issue.
You claim that GOP positions are so unpopular, but if that is so, then why were the new Democrats who won in 2006 mostly those who AGREE with the GOP on most of those issues? I think you'll find that most of the new incoming Dem Congressmen in 2006 were rather conservative on most issues.
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FSU92grad3 months, 2 weeks ago
"Or maybe it's more that cons just have impaired listening and critical thinking skills"
Oh...Just cons use oil ? Boy, AL Gore sure uses a lot of oil...Do you think he'll listen to your message of "conservation"? LMAO !!!
BTW, check this link out and maybe you'll shut your pie-hole...It appears Bush is the more eco-friendly politician...Gore and you are friggin hypcrits and idiots...
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp
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Klarissa3 months, 2 weeks ago
of course not - it takes several years before the drilling is on line and producing. We have to start somewhere sometime.
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bigG3 months, 2 weeks ago
I am in the business and I can guarantee you that all of the "easy to get" oil is long gone in the U.S. We are drilling and producing in deepwater GOM and there are large reserves there, but getting them to market will take years. All of the Einsteins I read on here that whine about not drilling in ANWAR need to realize this - it is real remote and will take a lot of infrastructure just to get rigs there to drill exploratory wells. That won't be cheap, neither will producing the oil and transporting it assuming it is even economically viable(there may be a lot less oil there than some people hope). The oil shale situation is the same - mountains literally will have to be moved to recover this "synthetic" oil unless an "in situ" process can be developed that will assure an economically viable recovery rate without damaging the surface water and water table.
If people want cheaper oil the answer is simple - quit using so much.
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svensun3 months, 2 weeks ago
bigG,
if that oil is not economically viable, then it won't be drilled, that's obvious. So, what's your worry? Are you saying it will cost $125 per barrel to retrieve these new sources of oil? Of course not, and you know better.
What's the matter? Don't you believe in competition? If someone can extract that oil, and make a profit at less than $125 per barrel, they'll do it, and we'll all be better off.
And if people want cheaper oil, the SIMPLER answer is to get the government to stop killing oil's chief competitors: nuclear power and new hydroelectric projects.
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bigG3 months, 2 weeks ago
"if that oil is not economically viable, then it won't be drilled, that's obvious. So, what's your worry? Are you saying it will cost $125 per barrel to retrieve these new sources of oil?"
First, I am not "worried" about anything. My point is that all new oil from the U.S. will be increasingly more expensive to produce - the prevailing price of oil will determine which, if any, projects will be built. They don't have unlimited resources(money and people, etc.) to develop the marginal projects at the same time.
I love competition, and if you think that a company is going to take the risk associated to make a potentially marginal return on investment, you are wrong. A stronger U.S. Dollar( like several years ago) will lower the price significantly by itself.( note the trend and do the math)
http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?amt=1... (contd.)
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mesodude3 months, 2 weeks ago
"First, I am not "worried" about anything. My point is that all new oil from the U.S. will be increasingly more expensive to produce - the prevailing price of oil will determine which, if any, projects will be built."
--I'm told I'm "worried" or "afraid" a lot on this issue (even though it's affected me far less significantly than many I know). This I find comical since I'm being assaulted daily in the media by whining and hand-wringing from those who live in or represent States and regions with *no* alternatives to automobile transit (and I think we know where most of those are).
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bigG3 months, 2 weeks ago
I also believe we need to develop nuclear plants as they are much safer than thirty years ago. Hydroelectric plants are another alternative, but less so unless you really want Lake Iowa to be permanent. There is a bigger limit to those.
Again, if people want cheaper oil in the short term - quit using so much. Go buy a car that gets 30 plus mpg like we did in the seventies.
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mesodude3 months, 2 weeks ago
"I also believe we need to develop nuclear plants as they are much safer than thirty years ago."
--I agree with you to a point. Under the right party and with conscientious quality and safety controls, I think more nuclear power would be very good. The problem is that I absolutely DO NOT trust Republicans to do what's right for the environment rather than what's expedient for corporations. Just look at this current administration and you KNOW they'd be cutting corners in some way that could endanger the public. That is my number one concern about nuke power.
"Again, if people want cheaper oil in the short term - quit using so much. Go buy a car that gets 30 plus mpg like we did in the seventies."
--Has this President or Republican Congress even ONCE emphasized conservation? This is the first President to ever award war time tax cuts ( and while fighting TWO wars!). Come on now... ;-(
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FSU92grad3 months, 2 weeks ago
--I agree with you to a point. Under the right party and with conscientious quality and safety controls, I think more nuclear power would be very good. The problem is that I absolutely DO NOT trust Republicans to do what's right for the environment...
Mesodufus,
Did you know that Republicans we're actually the party of the enviroment BEFORE the dumba$$ Dems stole it from us ? Did you ? Rebubs were WAYYYYYY more eco-friendly than the Dems at one time, but we slowly got away from talking about it and the Dems started talking about it ALL the time...But it didn't mean that the Repubs were anti-enviroment...That is a huge misperception and short-insight on your part...
And I thought you were smart?
not really... ; )
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mesodude3 months, 2 weeks ago
"But it didn't mean that the Repubs were anti-enviroment...That is a huge misperception and short-insight on your part..."
--I'm sorry your party has lost its way and sorrier still that your decision making skills are crude. All we have to do is look at what Bush and the GOP have done to destroy government regulatory agencies in the quest to put corporations first. Bush gutted FEMA (and thousands have died as a result), bridges have plummeted to the ground killing Americans, food safety and consumer product safety is in the toilet and I here in DC where I live our water supply is laced with lead and prescription drugs. I simply don't understand how the very same people who are so terrified of leaving Iraq for fear of what terrorists will do to us are perfectly willing to support those who legislate in ways that threaten our planet. I don't think cons have much in the way of common sense. Actually, I know it. ;-(
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svensun3 months, 2 weeks ago
meso,
I am sorry to hear about your water supply problems, but you could please tell me when the last time was that REPUBLICANS controlled the DC City Government? And how long has it been since Republicans controlled the Maryland State House, and had a governor that lasted more than one or two terms?
Do you really believe Republicans are to blame for your drinking water problems? In my state, municipalities are responsible for drinking water and sewage, not the state or the feds.
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dunkirk3 months, 2 weeks ago
"Did you know that Republicans we're actually the party of the enviroment BEFORE the dumba$$ Dems stole it from us ? "
ROFLMAO, they stole it from you? And by them stealing it your party couldn't also sponsor the same legislation or be envoronmentally concerned? Seems the only envoironmental cincern your party sponsors are intiatives that are in their own backyard, we can clear cut forests to prevent forest fires just not these ones near where I live. You make less and less sense every time you post. We cant be envornmentally concious since the Dems are?
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bigG3 months, 2 weeks ago
"Has this President or Republican Congress even ONCE emphasized conservation? This is the first President to ever award war time tax cuts ( and while fighting TWO wars!). Come on now... ;-("
Can't argue with that, but I don't need a politician to emphasize conservation for me to conserve on my own. I am doing my part.
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svensun3 months, 2 weeks ago
meso, there is already a mechanism to 'discourage wasteful or excessive use'; it's called CAPITALISM. That means, if you want to waste or use something excessively, you have to pay for it.
You want the government to regulate what you use, and how much you use?
Does that include EVERYTHING you use? Food? Television viewing? Time on the internet? Medical care? Schooling? Books? Newspapers? Magazines? Guns? Vacations? Travelling?
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mesodude3 months, 2 weeks ago
"All of the Einsteins I read on here that whine about not drilling in ANWAR need to realize this - it is real remote and will take a lot of infrastructure just to get rigs there to drill exploratory wells. "
--Isn't it remarkable how on issue after issue, neocons somehow conclude that *they* are bettter educated or qualified than top experts who have devoted most of their adult lives to research in their given field? They tell themselves that if they read it on the internet or heard it from their chosen source, then it is definitively the truth. Amazing. Con arrogance leaves me quite breathless sometimes.
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FSU92grad3 months, 2 weeks ago
"--Isn't it remarkable how on issue after issue, neocons somehow conclude that *they* are bettter educated or qualified than top experts who have devoted most of their adult lives to research in their given field? They tell themselves that if they read it on the internet or heard it from their chosen source, then it is definitively the truth. Amazing. Con arrogance leaves me quite breathless sometimes"
Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you...Just because you read something from a liberal source, It's Gospel to you...LMAO !!! Anyway, speaking of Einstein's...What is you short-term fix to solving the problem other than not driving, becoming a hermit, turning your air up to 90 and walking 5 miles to the grocery store to get already expensive groceries? You're short-sightedness is quite evident...I don't think there is any arguement that we need alternative sources of energy, but telling people to simply stop using gas or oil is ludicrious and retarded...
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FSU92grad3 months, 2 weeks ago
We have got to find a way to provide temporary relief, much like a band-aid, where we can have some time to get other sources of energy up and running because as you and other libs have stated, it's going to take many years to get these things mass-produced to handle America's energy demands, but let's be real...We're still going to need oil...Unfortunately our politicians and enviromenatlist have made sure of that...
Telling America to simply "stop using oil" is about as good as telling them "just say NO to drugs"...We all saw how THAT program worked...You see, mesodufus...Liberals are all friggin' talkers...They're good at talking about stuff, but no action...We need a plan that makes sense and drilling here in America and tapping into our own resources makes sense, not to mention the many other jobs that will be created when we do open up drilling here in America....Does that help the economy ? Of course it does...
Your solution is NO solution....
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FSU92grad3 months, 2 weeks ago
As a caveat, mesodufus...
How do you help those people who have to commute into work because they couldn't afford to live IN the city to take advantage of some of the urban transit systems or cycling or whatever ? Sure, you have a nice cozy little place close to work where you can easily do that but what about the rest of America...What about rural America, Mesodufus? What can you offer them other then "We need to cut back on oil usage..." Blah-Blah-Blah....You see...This clearly proves to me and others that liberals are truly about themselves...As long as THEY are comforable, then to hell with everybody else....Some people don't or can't work out of their home to conserve fuel and need other options...Which at this time you're not able to offer...
And I thought you libs care about everybody (just not the rich, I guess)?....Even though, you guys continue to live like kings.
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mesodude3 months, 2 weeks ago
"And I thought you libs care about everybody (just not the rich, I guess)?....Even though, you guys continue to live like kings."
--See...*This* is what I'm talking about. I don't know if you're joking but this is the sort of statement which makes you appear to be unbelievably stupid. Depending on which thread I'm in, I'm accused of being on welfare or being a "SF liberal." Cons need to stop the madness. ;-(
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FSU92grad3 months, 2 weeks ago
Cons need to stop the madness. ;-(
And liberals need to stop with the appeasement tactics and "burying their head in the sand" attitude about our energy needs...
It's a problem, which the "cons" have the solutions and the liberals b-tch and moan about the solutions, further preventing anything from getting done...It will never get done because liberals and Democraps are the party of "no-nothings" and "slogans", empty rhetoric and promises that yield no solutions, but continue to throw our country into the pits of hell...All their worried about is "big oil" making a profit, but don't look at politicians getting 18.4% off the top of every gallon gas which produce nothing or manufacture anything...Oil companies manufacture and produce a product that American's need and because they are doing well, characters like Meso-dufus make them out to be the bad guy...Marxism is alive and well...
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mesodude3 months, 2 weeks ago
"It's a problem, which the "cons" have the solutions and the liberals b-tch and moan about the solutions, further preventing anything from getting done..."
--FSU, what kind of alternate reality are you living in, dude?! Republicans are no longer running the country BECAUSE OF cons. After Bush and the GOP spent 6 years ignoring the public's wishes, wasting our time and ruining the country, your party lost the public's confidence AND the majority. You LOST. YOUR "solutions" and YOUR slogans ("appeasement" "retreat and surrender" ring a bell?) and they threw the GOP out.
The reason Bush and current Congress's approval ratings are so low is because the GOP unleashed a record number of filibusters, further p!ssing off Americans. That's why Republicans lost recent special elections, it's why they're all jumping ship and it's why you're going to lose many, MANY more seats come November. For the love of God, put down the koolaid, man. ;-(
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mesodude3 months, 2 weeks ago
"Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you...Just because you read something from a liberal source, It's Gospel to you...LMAO !!! "
--Of *course* you think it's "funny." Oh what fun it is, when, after presented with indisputable facts that don't server your interests, you can blink your eyes or wrinkle your nose and, presto! Suddenly, it's a "liberal source" and you can tell yourself that 1 1 actually *doesn't* = 2, right? ;-P Cons wave their warped tin foil wands and the entire international community is "liberal" (they disagree with Bush, so they must be, right?). And the thousands of scientists who know we're destroying the planet from all over the world? They're all "liberals" too. Gotta be...On the other hand, it's surprisingly inconceivable to cons that scientists funded by obscenely wealthy oil barons might have *their* reasons for muddying the waters on the debate. Noooo...Couldn't possibly be. ;-P
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mesodude3 months, 2 weeks ago
"We have got to find a way to provide temporary relief, much like a band-aid, where we can have some time to get other sources of energy up and running..."
--We're working on it but it's an uphill battle when your President and VP are earning megabucks for every second they do absolutely nothing and when they actively work for the benefit of the oil companies over concerns of the citizenry. The thing is, cons recoil in horror whenever the idea of conservation is mentioned and as long as you're so resistant to the idea, there will be continued gridlock and more profits for ExxonMobil, Bush and Cheney. ;-(
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mesodude3 months, 2 weeks ago
"Telling America to simply "stop using oil" is about as good as telling them "just say NO to drugs"...We all saw how THAT program worked..."
--Or maybe it's more that cons just have impaired listening and critical thinking skills. You keep trotting out this crap from idiot right wing shout personalities who bark and hiss endlesslessly about Al Gore wanting us to go back to the stone age while he burns all the lights in his house 24/7, blah blah blah and you guys SUCK all this garbage in like kids overeating junk at a county fair. You should be smarter than that. No one is proposing draconian conservation measures. Obliging yourself to turn off the faucet while you brush your teeth is not a freaking attack on your Constitutional rights. Get serious. LOL
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FSU92grad3 months, 2 weeks ago
mesodufus..
What does turning off the water have to do with using more oil ? Stick to topic, McFly....
All I'm saying is that you are truly naive if you really believe people are going to stop using oil overnight....Fancy slogans like "Change" and "Use less oil" means nothing to the American people because they're just words...
I have asked you now a few times to give us your plan for solving the high energy costs here in America and you've conveniently evaded the questions now a couple hundred times...It's easy for you to sit in your nice convenient, close-to-work location and talk about conserving oil, when you don't really have to use much yourself...Much like it's easy for Al Gore to concoct a story about Global Warming and the need to reduce fuel emissions while flying around the planet in his lear jet and building a mansion the size of Kansas, burning how many gobs of oil...You see, you libs are hypocrits...
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FSU92grad3 months, 2 weeks ago
As long as YOU'RE cozy and gas prices are really effecting you, you talk a lot of smack about "conservation" but in reality it only applies to OTHER people....Because YOU really don't have a problem with it...
What an idiot...
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mesodude3 months, 2 weeks ago
"What does turning off the water have to do with using more oil ? Stick to topic, McFly...."
--Gee, Biff...I realize the con's brain is prone to rigid and simplistic thought patterns but you people have a serious mental block when it comes to the issue of conservation. It's like that little hamster at the wheel just plunges into a coma.
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FSU92grad3 months, 2 weeks ago
Again, another opportunity for a dumb-a$$ lib to solve our energy crisis, but all he has to offer is...well...nothing...I think I have given you ample opportunity to provide ideas as to how we can bring the price of gas down without using the word "conserve" in the statements..
I mean, mesodookie, do you honestly believe that EVERY red-blooded American is going to adhere to your "conserve" message ? Honestly ? But getting back to your "water" example...here in Florida we have watering days that you are only suppose to water your yard on certain days to help conserve water in our area...We have a bit of a drought problem here in Florida, in case you didn't no, so conservation is pushed here as well...Mesodufus, do you know how many neighbors on my street actually adhere to those recommendations ? Do you ? 0...zero...nobody...Slogans and "well wishes" are not solutions to long-term problems my friend..
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mesodude3 months, 2 weeks ago
"I have asked you now a few times to give us your plan for solving the high energy costs here in America and you've conveniently evaded the questions now a couple hundred times..."
--How would I run the show? Well, the Dems are on the right track so far. Oil is so 20th Century and we know oil cos will be screwing us for as long as they can no matter what, so I'd aggressively redirect funding to alternative fuels (to date, we've only half-assed) for starters. Immediately roll back the billions in subsidies we've given the oil companies and slap a windfall profit tax on them, haul Cheney, Bush and their oil pals in front of Congress to find out what Cheney did to jack oil prices up, reward conservation efforts, penalize waste, fraud and excess, lower the speed limit, more telecommuting, more bike lanes. Oh...And you thought I forgot...Apologize to our allies, BRING OUR FREAKING TROOPS HOME FROM IRAQ and stop threatening to invade other countries every five minutes.
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FSU92grad3 months, 2 weeks ago
"Immediately roll back the billions in subsidies we've given the oil companies and slap a windfall profit tax on them"...
Which they will pass along to us...Great idea, dufus...I like the idea of $10 a gallon versus 4 bucks...That's a winner...
"reward conservation efforts, penalize waste, fraud and excess, lower the speed limit, more telecommuting, more bike lanes.."
Are you really that stupid? Who's going to regulate this? More government involvement in our lives? Great idea, again...Dufus...LMAO !!!
"BRING OUR FREAKING TROOPS HOME FROM IRAQ and stop threatening to invade other countries every five minutes."
Again, another bright idea from the dumb left...We will stop threatening to invade other countries when the threat of us being wiped off the planet ceases, mesodufus...
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FSU92grad3 months, 2 weeks ago
I think Ahmadinejad and other thugs like him have made it clear what they want to do to us and while you believe it will never happen, you're the first one in line blaming Bush and Repubs claiming how we could let something like this happen but doing everything in your power to prevent America from protecting itself proactively(bringing the troops home prematurely, Saying the war is lost after the Dems elected to send more reinforcements over there, etc)...You and and the rest of you libs like to wait for another 9/11 before reacting...It's served you well being a coward living in the lap of luxury and freedom that our troops have provided for you...In case you haven't noticed, there hasn't been an attack on American soil under Bush's watch...You can call it whatever you want and claim it wasn't Bush or this administration that caused that, but at the end of the day, the facts are America has been safer and hasn't seen an attack like 9/11 for 8 full years...
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FSU92grad3 months, 2 weeks ago
And our troops don't WANT to come home..Why do you keep wanting to do something that many clearly do not want to do? You're assuming again that our military has the same warped way of thinking as YOU do....Not true..They're much smarter than that... But check the re-enlistment rates again, dufus...You seem to leave those people out who VOLUNTARILY re-enlist because they know what's at stake...The few that don't believe in what they're doing over there and volunteered for the military knew what they were getting into....But like you, they love to take from the government and have the government take care of them which is all well and nice, until their country calls them to actually EARN their pay and scholarship funding, then the "free" money is now a hindrance...Lazy ass libs...They want something for nothing....Just like you...
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mesodude3 months, 2 weeks ago
"Which they will pass along to us...Great idea, dufus...I like the idea of $10 a gallon versus 4 bucks...That's a winner..."
--There, there, pal. You'll be just fine. You'll be fine cause, unlike those careless New Orleaneans and those crazy people in the midwest whose homes are currently under water (wacky midwesterners), cons are always prepared for every conceivable crisis. You're way smarter and have way better judgement than all those folks who bought more house than they could afford and now face foreclosure. They thought home values would rise forever and ever (Americans can be so zany at times). Oh, and I bet cons are just laughing at high gas prices. If I know cons like I know cons, they knew gas prices wouldn't always be a dollar or so a gallon and they're all just laughing at the rest of us who didn't plan for this. I just wish we could patent that "personal responsibility" gene that cons are blessed with. You guys have all the luck. ;-(
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mesodude3 months, 2 weeks ago
"It's easy for you to sit in your nice convenient, close-to-work location and talk about conserving oil, when you don't really have to use much yourself..."
Ok...Wow...Am I reading what I think I'm reading? Maybe I'm just tired and my comprehension is just off today. I believe you just accused me of being insensitive to others' pain at the gas pump and all talk on conservation-- because I choose to live within walking distance of my job. On that note, I think I'm gonna walk to my grocery store 8 blocks away and pick up a $4 gallon of milk. Catch up to you later, FSU.
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FSU92grad3 months, 2 weeks ago
Must be nice...You know...Making everybody conserve when you don't really need to or have to? I bet if you had to travel in to work and lived in the rural area, your tune would be a little different, cause you're not really "feelin'" it at the pump like most of us are out here...
Talk about selfish, liberal attitude...ANd I thought the CONS were selfish SOB's...Hmmmmmm...
Anyway...I have to go too and drive 4 miles to the local grocery store in my Hummer and grab a bag of charcoal and grill out some Caribou on my Webber, pumping tons of coal-smoke and carbon emission into the air...
Talk to you later...
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mesodude3 months, 2 weeks ago
"Talk about selfish, liberal attitude...ANd I thought the CONS were selfish SOB's...Hmmmmmm...."
--Are you serious? Why don't I get energy conservation credit for choosing to work near my home, and for walking or biking to the grocery store or the post office or wherever (when I could just as easily drive)? Why do you judge me so harshly, FSU? Just becaus you envy me being able to walk into Starbucks for a tall piping hot mocha and enjoy it during my 15 minute walk to work (btw, never gulp a 170 degree mocha when you're jaywalking during rush hour while trying to juggle a muffin AND a cellphone--OMG--BIG mistake!) and just because I couldn't care less that you're distressed by high gas prices, doesn't mean I don't care about the environment. Geeez... How insensitive do you think I am?
All I'm saying is that, as cons are always reminding everyone else, we all make choices in life. Drilling won't get us out of this mess. We need to start changing our priorities.
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