How Iran Has Bush Over a Barrel »
Posted By expursuit 5 months, 3 weeks ago in Business & FinanceIf wasn't clear before it should be now: the Bush Administration can't afford to attack Iran. With gas already at $4 a gallon and rising almost every day, Iran figuratively and literally has the United States over a barrel. As much as the Administration is tempted, it is not about to test Iran's promise to "explode" the Middle East if it
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capecoralM5 months, 3 weeks ago
"The Iranians haven't been shy about making clear what's at stake. If the U.S. or Israel so much as drops a bomb on one of its reactors or its military training camps, Iran will shut down Gulf oil exports by launching a barrage of Chinese Silkworm missiles on tankers in the Strait of Hormuz and Arab oil facilities. In the worst case scenario, seventeen million barrels of oil would come off world markets."
This might be a good reason to convince the Democrat(ic)s to allow drilling in the US. Particularly in northern Alaska, Gulf of Mexico and in all areas along the coasts. It is not only Oil it is natural gas that is rising as well. It is time for the majority of the Democrat(ic)s to part from the Iranian position of holding the U.S. over a barrel.
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ybdogsct5 months, 3 weeks ago
Why do you think drilling in ANWR would eliminate the U.S. dependency on foreign fuels?
http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-0028-01/fs-0028-01.htm
http://www.doi.gov/news/030312.htm
A Dept of Interior study projected that ANWR could produce a mere 1.4 million barrels of oil per day, which would increase U.S. production by ~25%.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/quickfacts/quickoil...
However, that is still insufficient to wean the U.S. from 10.1 million barrels per day which the U.S. must import from other countries, including the 5.6 million barrels per day we import from OPEC.
Even if we started drilling in ANWR today, we wouldn't see a drop of that oil for 10-20 years, which is how long it'd take for the infrastructure to be built. By then, increasing demand from China and India would offset the increase in supply.
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capecoralM5 months, 3 weeks ago
Why do you assume that this would be the only supply being added to the global supply. Would adding 1.4 million barrals from ANWR, and tapping into the known reserves in the Gulf Of Mexico as China is doing now impact the price of oil? Of course it would.
I think ANWR's 10% is a significant amount.
As far as OPEC adjusting their output. Western North Dakota has large oil reserves. By some estimates, it has more oil than the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. A federal government geologist estimated a formation called the Bakken shale holds 400 billion barrels of oil.
175 miles off the coast of Louisiana the oil industry estimates it will be able to recover more than 3 billion barrels, and perhaps as much as 15 billion barrels, of oil from a geological area known as the lower tertiary trend, making it the biggest addition to U.S. petroleum reserves in decades.
Why are you opposed to additional supplies on the market?
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antibrainwasher5 months, 3 weeks ago
When are you going to start factoring in global pollution from CO2 burning of fossil fuels in your equations. Always, there is talk of increasing production, yet never a factor of what increasing burning of fossil fuels will do the the worlds climate.
Even Exon has discontinued financing of anti-global warming propaganda. McBush has stated global warming is a massive problem.
Why not concentrate on burning LESS fuel, by means of massive restructuring of transportation.
Oil is a national security issue. We should nationalise all US oil.
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antibrainwasher5 months, 3 weeks ago
America consumes 25% of all oil, yet consisits of 5% of the worlds population. This is insane. This will not continue. China is rising, India is rising, they both have the bomb.
Drilling more oil is NOT an option. We must preserve the earth for future generations by not killing it with CO2 from fossil fuel burning.
Inceasing production without factoring in how that also increases CO2 production, is completely irresponsible.
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ybdogsct5 months, 3 weeks ago
CAPECORALM:
"I think ANWR's 10% is a significant amount."
You would think wrong. The combined oil in ANWR, the Dakotas, and the Gulf of Mexico is NOT enough to compensate for the over 10 million barrels per day the U.S. imports and not enough to achieve energy independence.
You seem to be forgetting that:
1) U.S. oil consumption is growing and it would take 10-15 years to develop the infrastructure to mine ANWR. By that time, rising U.S. oil consumption would far outpace additional oil output ANWR.
2) Demand from emerging economies, particularly China and India, is growing exponentially and will outpace the modest rise in oil output from ANWR, the Dakotas, and Gulf of Mexico.
3) Due to the weak dollar, oil companies actually make more profit by selling oil to Europe and its strong Euro. Increased oil production would not necessarily make it to the U.S.; it would go to the highest bidder.
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HannibalBarca5 months, 3 weeks ago
But you forget Canada, and as it is right now we supply 23% of your oil, but can do no more due to the fact that the pipelines are full, can,t get it to you unless by truck and with fuel costs that leaves rail.
But by 2011 we are supposed to be able to triple our out put to you with the new pipe lines under construction, also there is much talk of a line from Alaska to Chicago so I do believe if that happens we can theoretically supply you with 60% of your oil.
Damn are we going to be rich
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gamahuche5 months, 3 weeks ago
>>Damn are we going to be rich
Yeah, but better set prices in some other currency than US$'s.
I'm just about to visit the US and feeling astonished how inexpensive it will be in terms of Czech crowns!
[I won't be buying any petrol or those coffees with the silly names - and its true the Pilsner will cost more than at home]
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HannibalBarca5 months, 3 weeks ago
Well the Canadian $ is holding its own, and I am now off to The Druid, an Irish pub so I can get my weekly fix of Guinness...lol
Don,t take any wooden nickels
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gamahuche5 months, 3 weeks ago
Its a deal - but you have to say the [magic?] words!
Its the arcane mumbo-jumbo that I can't deal with..
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HannibalBarca5 months, 3 weeks ago
Nope, nope, nope.
Coffee please, black; much simplier
See you really need to get into the Winterhawk mood, it teaches logic...lol
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ybdogsct5 months, 3 weeks ago
4) You continue to ignore the posts below which demonstrates that the current rise in oil prices is NOT being driven by a lack of supply, but rather by the weak US dollar. Therefore, pumping even more oil into the market will have little effect on the prices because that's not what's driving high prices in the first place.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/10940...
"The immediate cause of rising oil prices is the weak dollar. Oil-producing countries are requiring more dollars to purchase the same barrel of oil because the dollar is worth less today than it was a few years ago. Center for American Progress estimates that 'nearly 40% of the increased price American consumers are paying for oil is attributable to the weak dollar," even after factoring in the effects of increased global demand from countries such as China.'"
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Daylight5 months, 3 weeks ago
ybdogsct
4) You continue to ignore the posts below which demonstrates that the current rise in oil prices is NOT being driven by a lack of supply, but rather by the weak US dollar. Therefore, pumping even more oil into the market will have little effect on the prices because that's not what's driving high prices in the first place.
Absolutely correct, pumping more oil will not help and will have little effect. Think of the day the world is going to say no to the dollar based dealings, where would the dollar go and the oil price will go. It is the 8 years of George Bush's foreign policy that brought the dollars demise. More countries are going to trade in Euros. they want to bomb Iran because they refuse sell their oil in US dollars. It seems that American economy depends on blackmailing countries to do business in dollars. It's a sign of economic collapse.
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slate5 months, 3 weeks ago
Cape, why didn't yu repugs do something about this when you controlled both the Congress, the Presidency and the Supreme Court? Carter told you a long time ago this would happen!
Yeah Carter the oracle! Too bad he was such a bad president.
Hmm why didn't your party do anything from the 70 to the 90s when you had majorities in Congress?
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ybdogsct5 months, 3 weeks ago
MIVAN4:
"If Man Made CO2 is the cause of Global Warming answer me one question - Why are all the other planets in our solar system following the SAME warming trend as Earth ?"
If you don't believe in the IR-absorbing properties of CO2, then do yourself a favor: Visit your local university and take an infrared spectroscopic measurement of a sample of pure CO2. The carbonyl bond happens to be one of the most strongly-absorbing IR moieties, and the CO2 molecule has TWO of them.
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ybdogsct5 months, 2 weeks ago
What is unknown?
QUANTIFIABLE FACT: CO2 molecules absorbs heat as IR radiation.
QUANTIFIABLE FACT: Hydrocarbon combustion increases atmospheric CO2 concentrations.
Therefore, it follows that CO2 released into the atmosphere from hydrocarbon combustion is absorbing heat as terrestrial IR and preventing it from being released into space.
The only thing scientists are debating is how quickly this warming is happening, but very few (if any) dispute that such warming is actually occurring.
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ybdogsct5 months, 2 weeks ago
MIVAN4:
"about 68% of the scientist dispute it!"
I'd like to know where you got this figure. Post your documentation showing that 68% of scientists dispute, not the pace or intensity of global warming, but rather dispute that global warming is happening at all.
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donald515 months, 3 weeks ago
Cape, why didn't yu repugs do something about this when you controlled both the Congress, the Presidency and the Supreme Court? Carter told you a long time ago this would happen!
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slate5 months, 3 weeks ago
Isn't it interesting that every time someone mentions drilling along out three coasts, as well as land mass, as well as ANWR; the left on this site only talks about ANWR? Do you not realize that ANWR is only a small portion of the available oil? ANWR will take five years to drill and see results, however in the meantime, drilling in 'other' oil rich areas would have an almost immediate return and increase the supply, thus reducing the cost much faster.
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slate5 months, 3 weeks ago
'However, that is still insufficient to wean the U.S. from 10.1 million barrels per day which the U.S. must import from other countries, including the 5.6 million barrels per day we import from OPEC.'
Until we can figure out how to make all the varieties of other things that are produced using oil we will not be weaned off it, reduction in dependency is all that we can expect to accomplish.
What we need is a brilliant mind that can figure out an energy source that will provide cheap, abundant means of locomotion and illumination. Other than that , good luck on doing away with oil altogether.
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canadianrancher575 months, 3 weeks ago
slate-after the Japenese attacked Pearl Harbour the Emperor of Japan said he feared they had awoken a sleeping giant and he was proven right. You said what is needed is a brilliant mind to solve the problem but I feel that if the people of your country decide enough is enough and start thinking abut how they are wasting fuel in unnessary ways OPEC will realize the resolve of the sleeping giant. Americas love for the automobile needs a cooling off period, Henry Ford likely never imagined that his dream would become Americas nightmare.
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slate5 months, 3 weeks ago
I know we use mauch energy,,,,, but you act like you guys don't have waste?
Each of you does everything possible to conserve? DO you not love your auto, heating, cooling, plastics?
I've seen pictures of your country, It pretty much looks like Denver to me, lot's of cars, people, industy, airports, jet skis, snow mobiles,,,,
Have you considered the filth and waste in China and India in your thinking?
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HannibalBarca5 months, 3 weeks ago
slate:I know we use mauch energy,,,,, but you act like you guys don't have waste?
That is saying to me while you drive down the street in your Hummer, "hey you quit wasting gas driving that volkswagon"
The top 6 countries that consume oil are
USA, China, Japan, Germany, Russia, and India
Only #'s 2-6 equal what USA consumes.
So if all 5 of those countries were able to do 100% conservation, only 50% of the problem is solved if USA does nothing.
Sorry, but USA is where it has to start.
Of every folly, misdeed, poor performance or what have you that USA has; so has Canada, only you are 10x bigger so you have 10x as more.
This is not bashing any country, just the politics that allow it to happen, yours and mine.
We need a change in direction
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slate5 months, 3 weeks ago
Hummer? I have a Hummer? How do you know I don't dive a VW? And how do you expect me to know that you do?
Look we have many more people so we use more,,,,,, it's only when individuals in large numbers conserve will the problem is fixed,,,,,, that includes the only 32 million in your country, which BTW is 6 Houstons.
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canadianrancher575 months, 3 weeks ago
slate- The comment I made was not meant to say that we are any different than you when it comes to the use of energy, and on a per capita basis we likely use more. My comment had to do with the artical, where from my reading has your country hostage because of your need to import oil, if your country does not wish to be hostage then the change must come from within your country either by drilling for more or using less, to me the best solution is to use less.
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slate5 months, 3 weeks ago
For those that put their faith in congress to solve our problems. Here's a great example of why you may want to rethink that view.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=e-LOtKIIKcg
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ybdogsct5 months, 3 weeks ago
Oil in ANWR would have done little to change oil prices, as OPEC would simply readjust their output to offset the relatively small in increase in domestic oil extracted from ANWR.
Besides, the currently inflated global oil prices have more to do with the falling dollar, futures trading, and Middle East instability, than with oil in ANWR.
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P100650.asp
"Every dollar increase in the price of a barrel of imported oil increases the size of the U.S. trade deficit, which puts more pressure on the value of the U.S. dollar, which leads to a weaker dollar, which makes OPEC countries want to raise the dollar-denominated price of a barrel of oil to make up for the dollars fall, and so on."
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/06/news/economy/ga...
"If the euro gains, oil becomes cheaper, European investors buy more oil, raising the price of oil in U.S. dollars."
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ybdogsct5 months, 3 weeks ago
http://in.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idIN...
"OPEC sees oil prices offsetting weak dollar. The surge in oil prices to record highs will shield OPEC nations, some of which peg their currencies to the U.S. dollar, from current dollar weakness, a Saudi newspaper quoted OPEC sources as saying on Saturday."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/10940...
"The immediate cause of rising oil prices is the weak dollar. Oil-producing countries are requiring more dollars to purchase the same barrel of oil because the dollar is worth less today than it was a few years ago. Center for American Progress estimates that 'nearly 40 percent of the increased price American consumers are paying for oil is attributable to the weak dollar," even after factoring in the effects of increased global demand from countries such as China.'"
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ybdogsct5 months, 2 weeks ago
The Energy and Information Administration concluded in a 2007 survey that drilling in the Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf regions wouldn't have an impact on prices until 2030, if they had an impact at all.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/otheranalysis/o...
"The projections in the OCS (Outer Continental Shelf) access case indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030.
Because oil prices are determined on the international market, however, any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant."
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ybdogsct5 months, 2 weeks ago
http://www.newsweek.com/id/142500/page/1
"McCain has spent the week focusing on energy policy, making some surprising, and inaccurate, statements.
McCain tried to paint Obama as an opponent of nuclear power, yet Obama has said he is open to nuclear energy and has supported bills that contained nuclear subsidies.
McCain has soft-pedaled the cap-and-trade proposal for greenhouse gases, even denying that it would be a mandate. The cap is a mandatory limit, however, and McCain even says so on his Web site.
McCain's new ad, running this week, rightly says that he bucked his party in supporting action on climate change years ago. But its images of windmills and solar panels are misleading in that he supports subsidies for nuclear power, which isn't pictured, and opposes them for wind and solar energy.
McCain continues to say that a suspension of the federal gas tax will lower prices for consumers, though hundreds of economists say he is wrong."
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Daylight5 months, 3 weeks ago
capecoralM Send Message
"The Iranians haven't been shy about making clear what's at stake. If the U.S. or Israel so much as drops a bomb on one of its reactors or its military training camps, Iran will shut down Gulf oil exports by launching a barrage of Chinese Silkworm missiles
It is not going to end there, Israel will get what it deserves, it's long overdue and also American presence in Iraq will come to an abrupt end. That's not all this war will continue for another decade or more until America is completely, humiliated, defeated and bankrupt. If America or Israel attacks Iran and then everything is not going to come to end as in Hollywood movies like Batman, Spider man, Iron man, Superman and Wonder woman. I would be glade to see America or Israel attack Iran so that Israel will pay the price for it atrocities against the Palestinians and America will pay the price for supporting this animal. If George Bush has balls let him try. Despotic Arabs will pay a price too.
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slate5 months, 3 weeks ago
((It is not going to end there, Israel will get what it deserves, it's long overdue))
Deserves? Threats to Israel is the last thing you guys want to do.
What do they 'deserve'? Blood in the streets? Total death to all in Israel?
When push comes to shove, tiny little Israel has always come out on top, and if threatened they may well use more than a few bombs. If I were those that hate Israel but love life and their children, I'd try and figure out a way to peace and let Israel have the tiny country that's not any bigger than Harris County, Texas. ALl that vastness and one line of Abraham has to have it all and not share with their own blood relatives!
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hyperbola5 months, 3 weeks ago
The only current holocaust is the one to which christians and moslems in palestine are subjected by zionists (not jews).
In Clear Sight of Yad Vashem
Over the years, our attention has been drawn to the close proximity of the village of Deir Yassin to the Jewish Holocaust memorial at Yad Vashem. Jews have been encouraged to visit Deir Yassin, the symbolic starting point of nearly six decades of Palestinian dispossession, and from there to look across to Yad Vashem....
...A brutal ethnic cleansing accompanied by dispossession, pillage and massacre... terms surely familiar to any Palestinian.
But no matter how similar the Jewish and Palestinian histories of suffering may seem, the similarities conceal important differences:
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hyperbola5 months, 3 weeks ago
First, by all accounts, and according to any version of the events, what was done to the Jews of Europe took place a long distance from Yad Vashem, while what was done to the Palestinian people took place right there at the village of Deir Yassin and right there throughout the whole of Palestine.
Second, the perpetrators of the atrocity against Jews had nothing to do with Palestine or Palestinians, while perpetrators of the Palestinian tragedy were and are Jews.
Third, the perpetrators of the atrocity against Jews have been roundly condemned over the years and punished for their crimes, and have mostly shown contrition, while the perpetrators of the massacre at Deir Yassin have been honored for their crimes, continue to take pride in them, and live on in their ideology and in their deeds.
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hyperbola5 months, 3 weeks ago
Fourth, what befell the Jews had a beginning, a middle, and an end, while the assault on the Palestinians goes on with no end in sight.
And one final difference: If the living evidence for the veracity of the Holocaust narrative is a safe, secure and empowered Jewish people, at home wherever they may be, the living evidence for the veracity of Deir Yassin and the Nakba is a Palestinian people dispossessed and exiled and longing to go home.
http://www.righteousjews.org/article24.html
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wasntme5 months, 3 weeks ago
At last you and Muti found one thing in common in HATELANDS. It is funny how extremists of all religions act like shi t and st i nk . It is hard to see one without the other. Jewish and Christian Taliban have so much in common with Islamic Taliban. That does not surprise me one bit, since the Talibanism is based on Ignorance, hatred, violence, intolerance all of which can be found in their interpretation of the scriptures.
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wasntme5 months, 3 weeks ago
I am not sure what you are talking about. Are you on drugs again?
by the way for couple of days you have not sent to my mailbox one of your hate filled links with an "I am desperate for attention" messages. Either you have been running out of "hate " links or when I told you many times in response to your hateful bizarre links to "fuc k off" you did exactly that. Either one would be fine with me.
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wasntme5 months, 3 weeks ago
Aside from your BORING lies about Islam, ...it took you a while but finally you did understand when somebody tells you to fk off what that exactly means .Just when I thought there is no hope for you I see you are improving...some of your senses are functioning ...hmmmm...never say never...
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Mutainia5 months, 2 weeks ago
You can try to change the subject all you want, but, the fact of the matter is, it seems to ONLY be the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing. Daylight is a Sunni, and I saw the friction between a Shiite and a Sunni in this exchange, I saw it with Sunni muhairi8 also. Being so the case, if YOU are the type of Muslim who is proud that Islam is the "fastest growing religion in the world", apparently, that Islam is not YOUR brand of Islam. THAT brand of Islam is SUNNI, NOT Shia. But, right now, you include them both to try to strike fear in the infidel, knowing, deep down, that YOU are the minority IF you are a Shiite, and, that minority is threatened in a violent way, as witnessed with the Sunnis so hateful as to strap on bombs to retarded women and blowing up YOUR innocents in Iraqi pet stores.
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Daylight5 months, 3 weeks ago
hyperbola
The only current holocaust is the one to which christians and moslems in palestine are subjected by zionists (not jews).
Yes most of the Jews except the Zionists are against the creation of Israel and even the Rabbis are against the Atheist Israel. Jews, Christians and Muslims lived like brothers before 1948, the Zionists have destroyed it and keep lying through their media about the excellent relationship the Jews and Muslims had.
And there are, certainly, among the People of the Book [Jews and Christians], those who believe in God, in the revelation to you, and in the revelation to them, bowing in humility to God: They will not sell the Signs of God for a miserable gain! For them is a reward with their Lord, and God is swift in account. (The Noble Quran, 3:199)"
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wasntme5 months, 3 weeks ago
Wasn't it Iranians who rescued the enslaved Jews from Slavery and brought them to Jerusalem? Do you remember King Cyrus? I am sure Cyrus would turn in his grave to find out the descendants of those Jews now have set up a Jewish apartheid which violates every word of Cyrus's human rights charter, the very same human right charter based on which Cyrus liberated Jews and treated them with respect and dignity.
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wasntme5 months, 3 weeks ago
Nice to know you can think ...after you are done thinking go read the Torah about Cyrus.
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wasntme5 months, 3 weeks ago
Oh sorry to catch your lies once again
Thanks God I don't get my history from Torah which has clear instructions for ethnic cleansing and a book that portrays Moses PBUH as a genocidal sexual predator when he orders his followers to kill all women and their children who were captured in war and only save the virgin ones.But I would expect a Jewish Taliban or a Christian Taliban like you and your cousins and uncles who consider the pedophilia and incest friendly book of Horror Talmud as words of God to believe Torah.Now don't tell me you don't believe Torah or talmud or Bible.By the way you haven't sent to my mailbox your hate links for couple of days...could it be because after I repeatedly told you to"fu c k off "you did exactly that?Not that I miss your daily hate links in my mailbox especially after numerous times telling you to fk off but just curious .last time you sent me one of those hate links again I was thinking wow...a lil bit of rough childhood goes a long way..
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Mutainia5 months, 3 weeks ago
So you were doing as the Sunnis SAY a Shiite does, which is, lie. You really didn't mean for me to "go read the Torah about Cyrus?" I guess Daylight was partially telling the truth about taqqiya here. Anyway, you sound like you are in an awful lot of anguish. IF I was forced to have my butt up in the air five times a day, EVERY day, for the rest of my life, or, go to hell and have my skinned burned off, daily, throughout eternity in hell by something that calls itself the "most compassionate, most merciful", hey, I think I'd be a bit grouchy myself. Well, I feel sorry for you, and, I feel your pain, wasntme. Such hatred for me, I feel, is a symptom of just how angry you ARE to do the five times a day of butt in the air, while I, on the otherhand, believe in a God who is actually working ALL things to His glory and will even show mercy to YOU some day, inSPITE of your great hatred of one who points out the evils of Islam.
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Mutainia5 months, 3 weeks ago
"...could it be because after I repeatedly told you to"fu c k off "you did exactly that?"
It helped. Of course, they weren't hate filled, and, they weren't daily. But, I bet even one seemed like a ton to you. The truth is quite hard hitting to a religion built upon deceit and projection, not just war.
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wasntme5 months, 3 weeks ago
your attempts to pit Sunni against Shias is pretty childish.
it looks like I touched a raw nerve when I talked about your Holy books. You see unlike you I don't go to read fiction books to educate myself about other religions I go right to the source. So why don't you join me and we read lil bit of the book of HORROR Talmud shall we? Lets look at some of the topics that Talmud covers in detail.
"How does a brother-in-law buy his brother's widow, what is the rule if he accidentally has sexual relations with her, exposure of the sexual organs without penetration? If the brother-in-law fell from the roof and his sexual organ entered the sexual organ of his sister-in-law, who happened to be lying on the ground with her legs spread, is he now considered to be married to her? What is the rule for one who has homosexual relations with only partial penetration?
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http://www.daatemet.org/questions/index.cfm?MES...
very enlightening. :)
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Mutainia5 months, 3 weeks ago
Are YOU trying to say that the Talmud is where Mr. (pbuh) got his horniness for a 6 year old? You see, O "taqqiya after eating a large pot of beans", I too can play the "whose religious founder was more sleazy game" IF you want to truly go there. It sounds like you do. By the way, have I EVER brought up the Muhammad marrying a 6 year old until now? But, since it seems that pedophilia and abhorant sex is a concern for you, well, maybe we SHOULD look into the sex life of Mr. (pbuh)? Just wondering.
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Mutainia5 months, 3 weeks ago
By the way, wasntme. Is it true that there are "weak and inferior Hadiths"? Your friend, Muhairi8, said so. I learned this when I presented him with "one hour of deep contemplation is better than 60 years of worship", and, "the rank of a man who is silent is worth more than 60 years of worship".
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wasntme5 months, 2 weeks ago
I can tell when a Muti is enlightened when he ignores the contents of Talmud and goes right to his LIES. Since you enjoyed my Talmud quote, then lets read more from Talmud,
"A girl of three years and a day is sanctified (as a woman is acquired) through intercourseâ;¦if one of those forbidden to have relations with her according to the Torah does have relations with her, he is killed because of her, and she is exempt.If she is less than that (less than three years and a day),it is as one who sticks a finger into an eye"(Niddah 5:4)."
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"The sages of the Talmud explain the Mishnah's simile "as one who sticks a finger into an eye": Just as an eye, if poked by a finger, gives off a tear and then once again gives off tears, so is it when a man puts his penis in a girl younger than three, her hymen tears and then heals over. This is why it is not called intercourse in matters of prohibition or of acquisition (Niddah 45a)."
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wasntme5 months, 2 weeks ago
and lets read some more from book of all HORRORS Talmud,
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"(Laws of Forbidden Intercourse 1:13-14): One who has sexual relations with a girl younger than three is exempt from punishment, even if he did so with his own daughter, and one who has sexual relations with a boy of under nine is exempt from punishment, even if she did so with her own son, and homosexual relationships with a minor boy under the age of nine is exempt from the punishment written in the Torah: "If a man lies with a male as one lies with a woman, the two of them have done an abhorrent thing; they shall be put to death -- their bloodguilt is upon them" (Leviticus 20:13).
As you can see I am willing to educate you about your book of Horror as long as you stick around a bit longer.
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Mutainia5 months, 2 weeks ago
Boy, O "taqqiya after eating a large pot of beans", it seems you don't like perversion, evil, and pedophilia. Are you SURE you want to project and attack other people's religious literature here? SURE you want to laugh at someone's smokey house while your house in rumbling with fire? But, again, ARE there "weak and inferior" hadiths that muhairi8 said, when I presented him with "one hour of deep contemplation is better than sixty years of worship", and "the rank of a man who is silent is worth more than sixty years of worship"?
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wasntme5 months, 2 weeks ago
as long as you stick around I will educate you more about Talmud even though you choose not refute them. lets read more shall we?
Talmud and oral sex. forbidden or permitted?hahahahahhaha
The sages and the Halachic arbiters disagree about oral sex.
Rabbi Yochanan the son of Dahabai said: Four things did the ministering angels tell me.
1. The child of one who has a n a l sex with his wife will be lame. (Bush is a lame now !!)
2. The child of one who has a n a l sex will be mute.(dont worry mute is not the same as Muti)
3. The child of one who speaks crudely during sex will be deaf.
4. The child of one who looks at his wife's sexual organs will be blind.
But according to the Sages....A parable; Meat which comes from the abattoir may be eaten salted, roasted, cooked, or boiled" (Nedarim 20a-b).
...stick around kid..more education about your LORD and his sages is on the way
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